Not only do different states within the USA have different laws, but different countries do as well. In Australia, no reason for the breakdown of marriage is needed, only that by mutual agreement the breakdown has occured.
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Divorce fighting
by DaCheech ini have a question for anyone interested in debating this:.
when a married couple wants to separate, why is it relevant in court on the reasons for it?.
if the hubsband is caught cheating, how does telling the court make a diffrence?.
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Gilead
by AllTimeJeff ini will use my other thread today to talk about gilead.. one must apply for several years to show they are serious, unless you know a gb member or another heavy in the service dept.
a couple first gets a long app in the mail usually after several years of applying at the dc.
it is over 115 questions.
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moggy lover
Thanks for your experiences, made great reading.
Being born of mixed British-Indian parentage, and having lived my early life in India, where I beacme a WT follower, I knew of this young lad, back in the 60s, who as a special pioneer, was invited to Gilead. Damn fellow promptly met with and married a local lass, and instead of returning to India applied to stay on in America. And suceeded!! The WTS were furious, but unable to do anything.
Do they still carry on with these types-antitypes? I knew this was one of Freddy's pet beliefs. But I thought that with his passing, the leadership would see more sense. Echoing the previous poster, don't they put any stress on CTR? I thought the Elijah-Elisha configuration was CTR-JFR. Obviously they have changed.
Did you ever meet any of the GB? Did they give any of the lectures? How well stocked, if at all, were the librar[ies] Were you able, given time. to do any real research into any particular doctrine, such as the 607 BC nonsense? Were you supervised when you used these library facilities?
Thanks once again.
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My Latest JW Blog
by Abandoned ini have written another blog about the damage i've suffered from being a jw.
it's located at http://blog.myspace.com/improg.. here is the content if you don't feel like going to myspace.. i didn't realize until this year, how much baggage i'm still carrying around from my many years associated with the jehovah's witnesses.. from my experience, i believe that organization is both a cult and destructive.
there are a lot of reasons why i say this, but one of the primary ones is related to the view they paint of god.
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moggy lover
Congratulations on the marvellous effort you are putting in. I have read your blog and it is great. The incredible thing about something like this is that you probably will never know who you have given that final impulse to decide to leave this degenirate organisation. You will never ever meet them, nor speak with them, but yet you can gain the satisfaction of knowing that that is what its all about.
Makes it all wothwhile. Need more like you.
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Why Matthew 24 can NEVER be fulfilled.....
by kid-A inlets see.
by watchtower theology, millions if not billions of dead people will be resurrected in jehoobie's funland...... assuming 6 million dubs survive the fiery wrath of lord jehoobie, they will represent a tiny minority in the new world order!.
according to the borg, all of these newly risen dead will require a "witness", meaning, the kingdom ministry will by necessity be in full swing,.
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moggy lover
The anonymous writers of the two-volume "Inspired" books have evidently spent a great deal of time and mathematical effort to work the problem out.
Given that 6M will survive into the new system, and giving them 100 years to get familiar with their surroundings and have lots of babies, the population should more than double by the end of the first century. Now if we recreate the dead at a simple rate of just 3% of the total living population, leaving 33 people to 'reducate' each one brought back, it would take just 300 years to bring back every one of the 20B who ever lived.
There are just some teenzy weenzy problems that our heroes have neglected to consider:
1 The most incorrigible, brought back to "life" at the end of the recreation program, because they would need to have a well regulated and ordered society to receive them, will in fact be the very ones who are treated unfairly. Needing the maximum time to rehabilitate, they will be robbed of at least 400 years of the millennium. The survivors into this well ordered universe, will have had the benefit of the full 1000 years, and thes guys, the one most needing this full time period, will get only 60% of the millenium. How fair is that?
2 Then there is the question, as old as the first human being, of boys being boys and girls being girls. Suppose you get this living girl falling in love with this real stud of a resurrected fellow, and they want to marry, which is the right of all people who love each other. But they cannot. It is Verboten. Because the resurrected don't marry. So - What? Will they wear some sort of yellow star or something? You will still have the same old social tensions of this old system, of at least two groups in society. The "ressies" and the "lifers" Seperated foever.
3 According to the "Inspired" book, there will be plenty of room for all the 20B who be cloned back to life. Take the vast arid regions of the world and re-irrigate them and with these you will have beautiful garden-like estates for all. The problem is How? To re-irrigate these vast territories [like the Sahara] will require the building of dams, thus needing the creation of cement factories, electrical manufacturing, chemical depots, skilled labour, etc. Imagine the skies becoming polluted all over again.
4 Clothing everyone will be a problem as well. Ever notice the well cut Saville Row pants and crisp starched shirts worn by the vacuous models displayed on the back covers of the WTs showing off the benefits of living in this new system? Notice the well tailored gowns and brightly coloured dresses worn by the equally vacuous females? With their zips and buttons? Manufacturing something as simple as a zip or a button requires a complex network of manufacturing and disribution, not to mention items such as management, and marketting. And you still expect the skies to be pristine blue?
Sorry chumps. You cant have it both ways. Either you live in a pristine enviornment with everyone running around in fig leaves [Imagine what thats going to do to all that free flowing testarone of the lusty lads and lasses], or you have a reproduction of this same old good old world of today.
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Rutherford talk "Face the Facts" 1938 A review in TIME Magazine Sept 19
by Lady Lee inyou just never know what you will find when you are looking for something else.. a time journalist, had the following to say.
i had bold some interesting comments.
jehovah's witnesses, or the international bible students association, is a sect which believes it is helping to establish god's kingdom on earth, distrusts formalized religion (particularly roman catholicism), engages in periodic spats with the law because its members like to peddle anticlerical pamphlets, dislike to have their children salute the flag in school.
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moggy lover
Joe "FREDERICK" Rutherford? Would you believe that this is the first time I realized the jerk actually had a second name. Wonder what he called himself in those fleeting moments of sobriety? Joe? Freddy? "Big Cheese"? - Dummy more like it.
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Is it possible to have a intellegent conversation with a JW?
by A-Team inmeaning:
not resorting to name calling, yelling, belittling ones religion, being able to express your ideas, etc.
also, are there any active jw forums that non/ex jws go, and preach the gospel to the jws?
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moggy lover
Certainly it is possible.
Provided you actually find one. I wouldn't reccomend any of the members of the GB, though. Their collective intellegence would leave lots of room on the head of a pin, when placed on it.
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Holy healing hankies
by glenster ini'm sorry if this has been covered before--i'm new here.. does anyone have anything to corroborate the claim that russell used healing handkerchiefs?
(i read the page in which he basically implies that if you donate money to him you're less likely to get sick.).
i'm researching jw history for some articles i want to put on my freewebs site.
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moggy lover
Hi. Glenster, I have just read the sources you pointed to, and it appears that you do have a point. That first decade of the WT movement has not had the depth of research that it deserves, since much of its details remain obscure.
Probably a more detailed analysis will uncover some richer, concrete facts.
Good post by the way, and welcome to JWD
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Christianity did NOT borrow from pagan "Dying-Rising" God motifs
by yaddayadda init is a fallacy that the early christians weaved the tale of a dying and rising god-man on the loom of mystery religions.
the idea of the dying-rising god as a parallel to the christian concept of the death and resurrection of christ was popularized by james frazer in the golden bough, first published in 1906. scholar edwin yamauchi (1974; easter: myth, hallucination, or history?
) has observed that, although frazer marshaled many parallels, the foundation was very fragile and has been discredited by a host of scholars since frazers ideas were at the height of their popularity in the 1960s.
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moggy lover
Terry: Thanks for your comments. I value them. In my post I felt it only honest to lay my position out in the open so that others would know where I was coming from. In this sense, I agree, my beliefs, for which I see no need to apologize, precludes any strict claim to objectivity. My point is that belief, and especially Christian belief, need not be based on credulity, but on as reasonable an assessment of facts as are available to the observer.
Arriving at the truth of any given matter concerns various elements of investigative techniques. This is made more complex by the very nature of "truth" itself. Truth is an infinite resource whose meaning and substance will never be plumbed in the entire lifespan of the human species.The quest for truth began with the human being who conceived the first finite thought, and we have sucessfully progressed from there.
Augustine once said:"To believe is nothing more than to think with assent. Not all who think believe, but all who believe think." Belief therefore becomes an act of will, the voluntary acceptance of a proposition as true.
Which brings us to Christian belief. The Christian position uses reason to arrive at a certain truth concerning the Mentor of the faith, Jesus Christ. But reason alone cannot produce belief in Christ. Reason accompanies belief, but does not cause it, because belief does not come about simply as a result of investigation. At some point, based on reason, one is led to embrace something more. To make a leap, as it were. A commitment that entrenches belief. Call this entrenchment faith, if you will, but it becomes an essential ingredient of belief. Does this lead to a subjective analysis of all investigation? Probably. But only if one distorts the original proposition.
The earliest Christians undergirded their belief by what they had seen and what had accompanied their lives, thus their belief was not empty.Down through the centuries suceeding generations of Christian believers have been called on to give testimony to their beliefs. The trumpets summon us again.
In my opinion, the belief in the Love of Christ ought to make the believer a better person, based on values that transcend mortal conceptualization. If this belief merely leads to dogmatism, intolerance, and zealotry, such as that manifested in the WT movement and other fundamentalisms, it is not the belief that has failed, it has simply been corrupted.
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Do JW's flout Romans 14:1?
by yaddayadda inromans 14:1 .
nwt welcome the [man] having weaknesses in [his] faith, but not to make decisions on inward questionings.
niv accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters.
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moggy lover
It is my understanding, based on being part of this group, that the WT leadership draws a clear distinction between "[his] faith" and "THE faith" as publicly determined by them.
As far as THE faith is concerned, there is no negotiation, or debate. Once something is published in the WT, it becomes THE faith, which is encumbent on all the R&F to accept, unconditionally. As Knorr was once heard to say, "You can argue all you want, but once it comes off the presses it is TRUTH"
Naturally the WT teaching of 1914 falls into this category. If you don't accept it completely, until any change is allowed for by the leadership, you are NOT welcome in the assocation of believers.
"[His] faith" would constitute such procedural matters as, clothing, leisure activities, or matters even more banal. After suitable "adjustments" the person would, approvingly, no longer be regarded as "weak"
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Holy healing hankies
by glenster ini'm sorry if this has been covered before--i'm new here.. does anyone have anything to corroborate the claim that russell used healing handkerchiefs?
(i read the page in which he basically implies that if you donate money to him you're less likely to get sick.).
i'm researching jw history for some articles i want to put on my freewebs site.
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moggy lover
Interesting concept, but I rather doubt that Russell either believed in or taught such "pentecostal" beliefs. To the best of my understanding, the WTS has always been primarily an intellectual wind bag of a religion, with liberal doses of humbug and pseudo-philosophical gobbledegook thrown in.
I am not sure of Russell's position, but I know later WTS thought attributed such phenomena to witchcraft, and satanism.
Having said that, however, I know of at least one religious mentor of the 20th Century who did encourage such beliefs. HW Armstrong, founder of the famous "Plain Truth" and the Worldwide Church of God, discouraged his followers from seeking medical aid for illness, instead passing out pieces of cloth that had been "anointed" by himself.
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